anyone who reads this blog from time probably recognize the title of this post. It 's a shot of a post which I published in 4 parts in 24 and 25 February 2009. Wow! It 's been over a year.
was the first steps of a hobby (this blog) that I thought would not last.
As some of you have written comments in which it is clear the disappointment of the last events (ForexMacro and others ......) and also express anger towards those who may have helped to hide what dangers there are in this terrible market, I went to read those "old" post.
Not that my memory defects and do not remember exactly what I thought then. No. It's just re-read those lines with the point of view (obviously enlarged and more conscious) today.
The first post of this blog wonders whether "The HYIP's were frauds."
The answer is found in Part II of the post, Feb. 24. The HYIP or are a form of sharpers use ingenuity to take advantage of people, their greed or position of financial need.
I wrote:
The Hyip are scams? The question is whether we are dealing with real Hyip or if we are in front of the pyramids in financial or Ponzi scheme.
Charles Ponzi was an Italian-born con man who invented a system of fraud which gave its name. The Ponzi scheme is a mechanism by which, against a non-existent investment, investors are given as interest money coming from new investors. So before you invest money and get fluent in the project. At one point, the pyramid is no longer growing and the last to arrive forgiveness everything.
Many programs that pretend to have actually Hyip Ponzi schemes.
How many? It 'difficult to quantify. Probably 90%. Maybe more.
The Hyip are scams? As such, no! E 'can invest in high profit.
The point is that many scammers use this cover to deceive people.
But on Feb. 25, in Part III of the post My thoughts were more clear, I wrote:
At the end we discover that the saying that the HYIP are scams is pretty well founded.
Or rather it is certain that most programs that are offered on the web as they are Hyip scams.
There are sites that expose the investment plans of this or that investment company alleged or suspected pool of professionals.
There are sites that show the documents proving the actual existence of the company and its seriousness. Are given addresses and phone numbers.
All this does not protect potential investors from fraud.
We venture to draw this brief statistics. One of our staff, not a scientific question that we say:
- A-A 35% of sites presenting Hyip are total rip-off. Managed by hackers, usually these sites are not even sure to provide their data. Typically presented with offers completely absurd (such as triple its investments in 24 hours!) And have weird names and structures. If you pay your money you lose them 100%.
- A B-50% of sites that pretend to have Hyip Ponzi schemes. Or are proposed on the market with attractive offers and more or less professional sites. The first investors pay their money and start to get interest. Investors are increasing and those who saw the first performance or reinvest back or add more money. After a highly variable time (a few weeks or months), those programs collapse: they disappear, or do not pay more. At this point there will be people who have invested and earned (sometimes a lot), people who have at least recovered the invested capital, or almost, and people who have lost (almost always conspicuously).
- C-Finally there is a remaining 15% represented by Hyip companies seeking to do their work in the best way. That is, companies or teams of experts who do try to raccogliore other people's money to operate high-risk investments.
other issues of which one can not ignore. To exemplify, we
market trends (in this period many Hyip are "skipped" due to the unpredictability of the market) and the existence of the hacker or hackers who "attack" the sites of programs or data stealing money.
Summing up, we say that we should try and invest only in category C programs knowing that they may well have problems. For the more savvy you could also invest in programs for category B and emerged at the right time. To avoid completely the programs in the category C.
At that time suggested that only 5% of the programs were not Ponzi schemes and had a real mechanism for investment in some real context of speculation that was not based on pay interest with someone else's capital.
I do not know if 95% of HYIPs are Ponzi-scheme then close one day, leaving thousands of investors with an inch of his nose and lost a lot of money on the street. I do not know if 99% of HYIPs are Ponzi-scheme, or if all they are.
My opinion is that even if there were actually post HYIP that are trading at some point, the risks and vulnerabilities are so high that the market think of this as a safe market is something very wrong and unfounded .
I speak to who is now angry and disappointed. I appeal also to those who have people that have directly promoted a program touted as the panacea for all ills and claiming to be a safe investment.
I understand your anger towards those who, without scruple, the commissions earned on your investment (the legendary term referral).
personally think badly of them. Typically, individuals without any sense of ethics and generally not effective with professionalism.
If you feel touched reading this, I'm sorry, but it seems obvious that a submitter of a program to minimize risks and losses for the sole purpose of pocketing a commission can not be good thinking.
financial consultant and I see in real life customers, "deceived" by officials from banks or financial intermediaries. In this case all the sunlight, with the spreaders in the right places. But hiding a customer that the mortgage payment will not be described as € 650 to € 698 entry but because there is the insurance policy, the built-rata, the annual management fee, etc ... is still not correct.
It 's true that there is a gain as a referral, but if you allow, I do not understand what the problem is. The problem is not the referral and then take the other commission on investment. That's a tool. The problem is the use distortion of an instrument.
But if anyone remembers, in many public places, was precisely the reason that led me and other bloggers now recognized in the Security Group, to write and talk about HYIP.
available on the web monitor living referral. I have already spoken. Not to the point. But "pumped" all the new programs in a list, without giving any further support, advice or strategy is wrong.
I wrote a blog in Italian just to try to avoid the many Italian investors to be cheated. But if someone continues to commit serious errors as to invest tens of thousands of euro (if they could not afford) in one program, then the work done is not enough information and that is still much to do.
Obviously it's nice to hear "after" I Told You So! But if someone comments on my blog this, I can only hope it's a new player and that is the one where the first post said that law.
Why else would remember how many times we talked about
1) invest ONLY (what does it say ONLY?) What you can afford to lose.
2) diversification to minimize risk.
3) return on investment as soon as possible and re-invest when it is, if not close, at least close to break-even point between storage and retrieval.
of you can tell me how many times I asked, CAN 'MAKE MONEY FROM HYIP's? The answer is yes, if they apply the rules of common sense (see above) and strategy. That is, there is this possibility. We are here every day to read and write for that reason.
But also remember that I wrote CAN 'LOSING MONEY WITH HYIP's?
The answer is definitely (not a chance!) Yes, if the rules of common sense.
March will end with the burial of big programs HYIP's. Let's call SCAM in my opinion but this is simplistic and unfair. SCAM is a program that starts today and closes after 3 weeks.
Define ForexMacro, Investment Forge, and some for their GNI as a scam does not seem appropriate.
A program that pays for 2 or 3 years has allowed almost all of its investors to invest and earn.
If the investors have forgotten that it was not the Post Office with a savings account but in HYIP, is another matter.
I know, maybe they are unpopular phrases. But you can not always say what we like to hear.
However new HYIP take the place of old ones. And we always a strategy that allows us to take the bull by the horns.
We do and we will.
Do not forget, always talk of bulls. So do not ever let your guard down.
How in the world of cinema, nothing in the HYIP world is as it seems.
the next.
and continues to write
Per aspera ad astra!
difficult and winding road to you reach for the stars!
I do not know if 95% of HYIPs are Ponzi-scheme then close one day, leaving thousands of investors with an inch of his nose and lost a lot of money on the street. I do not know if 99% of HYIPs are Ponzi-scheme, or if all they are.
My opinion is that even if there were actually post HYIP that are trading at some point, the risks and vulnerabilities are so high that the market think of this as a safe market is something very wrong and unfounded .
I speak to who is now angry and disappointed. I appeal also to those who have people that have directly promoted a program touted as the panacea for all ills and claiming to be a safe investment.
I understand your anger towards those who, without scruple, the commissions earned on your investment (the legendary term referral).
personally think badly of them. Typically, individuals without any sense of ethics and generally not effective with professionalism.
If you feel touched reading this, I'm sorry, but it seems obvious that a submitter of a program to minimize risks and losses for the sole purpose of pocketing a commission can not be good thinking.
financial consultant and I see in real life customers, "deceived" by officials from banks or financial intermediaries. In this case all the sunlight, with the spreaders in the right places. But hiding a customer that the mortgage payment will not be described as € 650 to € 698 entry but because there is the insurance policy, the built-rata, the annual management fee, etc ... is still not correct.
It 's true that there is a gain as a referral, but if you allow, I do not understand what the problem is. The problem is not the referral and then take the other commission on investment. That's a tool. The problem is the use distortion of an instrument.
But if anyone remembers, in many public places, was precisely the reason that led me and other bloggers now recognized in the Security Group, to write and talk about HYIP.
available on the web monitor living referral. I have already spoken. Not to the point. But "pumped" all the new programs in a list, without giving any further support, advice or strategy is wrong.
I wrote a blog in Italian just to try to avoid the many Italian investors to be cheated. But if someone continues to commit serious errors as to invest tens of thousands of euro (if they could not afford) in one program, then the work done is not enough information and that is still much to do.
Obviously it's nice to hear "after" I Told You So! But if someone comments on my blog this, I can only hope it's a new player and that is the one where the first post said that law.
Why else would remember how many times we talked about
1) invest ONLY (what does it say ONLY?) What you can afford to lose.
2) diversification to minimize risk.
3) return on investment as soon as possible and re-invest when it is, if not close, at least close to break-even point between storage and retrieval.
of you can tell me how many times I asked, CAN 'MAKE MONEY FROM HYIP's? The answer is yes, if they apply the rules of common sense (see above) and strategy. That is, there is this possibility. We are here every day to read and write for that reason.
But also remember that I wrote CAN 'LOSING MONEY WITH HYIP's?
The answer is definitely (not a chance!) Yes, if the rules of common sense.
March will end with the burial of big programs HYIP's. Let's call SCAM in my opinion but this is simplistic and unfair. SCAM is a program that starts today and closes after 3 weeks.
Define ForexMacro, Investment Forge, and some for their GNI as a scam does not seem appropriate.
A program that pays for 2 or 3 years has allowed almost all of its investors to invest and earn.
If the investors have forgotten that it was not the Post Office with a savings account but in HYIP, is another matter.
I know, maybe they are unpopular phrases. But you can not always say what we like to hear.
However new HYIP take the place of old ones. And we always a strategy that allows us to take the bull by the horns.
We do and we will.
Do not forget, always talk of bulls. So do not ever let your guard down.
How in the world of cinema, nothing in the HYIP world is as it seems.
the next.
and continues to write
Per aspera ad astra!
difficult and winding road to you reach for the stars!
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